Copyright Ian Wild

Potteries Motor Traction
1964
Daimler Roadliner SRC6
Marshall B50F

This is one of the prototype Daimler Roadliners which originally had the Clayton COMPAS heating and ventilation system fitted. There were two radiators, one each side of the bus just in front of the rear wheels which had the twin function of engine cooling and saloon heating. Sounds good in concept but like a lot of things at that time didn’t work reliably in practice. In January 1969 it reappeared with a front mounted radiator and conventional heating, the only PMT Roadliner so fitted. The radiator is hidden behind the front grille, which may look familiar to some as it was the grill fitted to the contemporary Ford Transit van. I cannot remember now why PMT fitted a front radiator to SN1000 and not a rear mounted one in the engine bay like the rest of the fleet. Incidentally the last 6 of the Marshall bodied Roadliners fleet numbers S1086-S1091 also had the COMPAS system – and they were no more reliable than SN1000!!
This was the only PMT Roadliner with air suspension, all the others had Metalastik toggle link suspension. The photo was taken on a test run near Clayton Schools on 20th January 1969.

Photograph and Copy contributed by Ian Wild

I have driven these buses and they were a total disaster, PMT only kept them for about 7 years.

Michael Crofts

I remember the PMT Roadliners. Some of them had home made looking slits in the panels behind the back wheels to improve engine cooling. They were very noisy.

JT

Yes very noisy but sounding totally unlike a bus. It was a sort of deep "Ewwww" muffled roar. When North Western Fleetline 189 was fitted with the same Cummins V6 you could hear it descending Rassbottom St in Stalybridge (On the joint route 90 to Marple) long before it turned into the bus station.
I now regret that I never did take a ride on a Roadliner when I had the chance. A Potteries mate says they were just as deafening from the inside, and that the later Perkins engined ones whilst marginally more reliable, used to waggle their tails dramatically when driven at high revs.
Darlington and Chesterfield Corporations got long service lives out of theirs, whether that suggests they overcame many of the problems, or that the local councillors refused to give up on them for the costs and red faces involved in replacing them early?

Keith Jackson

When I was a boy the PMT Roadliners operated on route 13 to Bentilee. Apart from the noise the bodywork rattled fit to disintegrate! There was an emergency exit window half way along the off side the locking mechanism for which used to jiggle about when the bus was stationary. A big disappointment after the AEC Reliance 590s.

John Tinsley

Our problem at PMT was that we just had too many of the things!! The largest fleet of Roadliners anywhere in the world. The Plaxton bodied ones (timber framed bodies)could possibly have gone on to nearer normal service lives if re engined with Perkins V8s – but at what cost? The Marshall bodied ones (steel framed bodies)were disastrous and although we rebuilt a few at enormous cost in man hours they weren’t a right lot better. By 1972 failures of the Metalastik toggle link suspension units were becoming prevalent. These were expensive to buy and a nightmare to replace. Panhard rod bushes were a recurrent failure – again taking much longer to replace than a leaf spring on a conventional vehicle. We used saloon seats from withdrawn Marshall vehicles to replace the worn out high backed seats in some of Reliances SN801-810 making them more suitable for urban work and less susceptible to vandalism. Happy days!!

Ian Wild

Just a bit of clarification about the ‘home made looking slits’ (ref JT). They were fibreglass corner panels made in house in the fibreglass shop at Stoke and as JT says, the idea was to provide additional engine bay cooling. To the best of my recollection, they were fitted to the 47 Cummins engined Plaxton and Marshall bodied buses. I don’t think they were fitted to the later batch of 10 Plaxtons with Perkins V8 engines.

Ian Wild

08/02/17 – 16:55

I worked with Cummins at that time and spent a year or so carrying out a series of engine changes and modifications for Belfast Corporation. As it was the time of the troubles, suspect much of my efforts ended up as bonfires.
V6 engine wet liners incredibly sensitive to both corrosion and erosion/electrolysis if water filters maintenance neglected. Becoming porous within months.

Mike Hyde

Copyright N Edwards.

Copyright N Edwards.

Transglobe Tours
1952
Foden PVRF6
Metalcraft C41C

The above two shots of a Foden PVR with Fodens own two-stroke engine were taken in my ‘Transglobe’ driving days. I had taken it to the Foden works at Sandbach Cheshire for an annoying fuel pump fault – as I remember, apart from being noisy animals, these were very temperamental – constant adjustments to fuel delivery points (pump and injectors) being the order of the day. Although I never did a continental trip with this coach, I had one continental trip with a Bedford SBG Seagull that gave me quite a hard time ending with its brakes finally burning out on a very steep section in the Austrian Alps. The Church party and myself being returned to the French coast by a superior German coach, a ‘Satra’, as I recall. 
My thanks to Mike Beamish/www.mikesbuspages.co uk for allowing me to use a couple of his photos so that you can see offside views of a similar Metalcraft Foden PVR to the above.

Mike Beamish.

Mike Beamish.

According to Mike NTU 125 had been repainted in deeper Cream with a brighter Red relief than the first time he took a shot of it. The last of these two shots shows it at the Buses 60 Rally at Wroughton when it was being used to transport visitors to the various hangars and exhibition areas.

Photographs and Copy contributed by Nigel Edwards

Perhaps returned to the coast by a Kassborer-SETRA – now just Setra: and still very good. Rear engine…. quiet, comfortable: why isn’t it Foden?

Joe

Why isn’t it Foden? Setra have spent the last 50 years developing into the leading coach builder of Europe – if not the world. Foden chose to abandon PSVs and concentrate on HGVs – especially specialist applications.
Given a different history, who knows? Foden quality was never in doubt. Foden and AEC could both have become as well regarded today as Setra – they simply didn’t survive (for historical reasons that most of us already know).

David Oldfield

03/02/11 – 10:36

Nigel Edwards’ recollections of driving this coach to Fodens for adjustments are fascinating. Transglobe operated the coach between February 1958 and September 1959, if my records are correct. I can confirm that it definitely had a Metalcraft body. The Foden two-stoke engine was, I believe, fairly complex – and probably misunderstood. Some companies seemed to like them, others just did not get on with them. Cook’s Coaches from Lyneham in Wiltshire at one point had three two-stroke engined Fodens ….. in their fleet of three! The Whenuapai Bus Company and City Bus Services in New Zealand, however, had no end of troubles with their quintet, but once Hawkes’ Bay Bus Company bought up the bankrupt City B S along with the Fodens and had them properly overhauled, they found that the engine fan had been repositioned to accommodate the bodywork. Once the fans were correctly positioned, and also once they had a Foden-trained mechanic looking after them, they went on to give many years of reliable service. The last one wasn’t taken out of service until June 1980, later than some Leyland Royal Tigers in the same fleet. All five went on to serve as movans (mobile homes) and two still exist in such a capacity even now, though one is effectively immobile.

Peter Tulloch

16/01/13 – 13:40

Copyright Ian Lynas

I (and probably 50 or so other enthusiasts) took this shot of NTU 125, a rear-engined Foden with Metalcraft coachwork belonging to Hollinsheads of Scholar Green in Cheshire during a PSV Circle Manchester tour on 13th April 1969. Fantastic tour which brought out Fodens from every nook and cranny. I think the tour was organised by the late Peter Roberts.

Ian Lynas

17/01/13 – 05:24

As far as I know Peter Roberts is still with us! Hardly any bus enthusiasts in the Manchester area doesn’t know of him, remembering with affection the PSV Circle meetings which still continue today, but I particularly remember the halcyon days of the late ‘sixties/early seventies (when Ian was there too!). They were in the Briton’s Protection hotel overlooking Lower Mosley Street and always very popular.

David Beilby

17/01/13 – 11:50

Can anybody lend me some photographs from this visit to Hollinshead’s (or scan them for me at 300 dpi or better)? I’m currently working on a book about Northwest independents and prints of their (pre 1970) vehicles have proven surprisingly hard to find. Weirdly, I’ve never knowingly met Peter Roberts although for several years I lived on Dane Road in Sale – virtually around the corner! I am of course familiar with his reputation as an outstanding photographer. Help?

Neville Mercer

23/01/13 – 13:16

My apologies to Peter Roberts. Good to hear he is still around and if you keep contact with him, thank him for the meetings which had a good smattering of everything, an ability to talk to like-minded enthusiasts, a quick formal part, great slide presentation and lots of info about what was going on in the local bus world. Thanks also David, I might have to reward you with a picture of your good self and others with Southport Crossley 116.
to Neville Mercer, I only took one other shot at Hollinsheads of a fairly new Duple Dominant, GTU 119G. It is already scanned at 300 dpi at 3008 x 2000. Any good Neville.

Ian Lynas

24/01/13 – 11:08

The Dominant is a bit new for my tastes, Ian, and would have been delivered after Hollinshead’s stage service ended. I would like a scan of your shot of NTU 125 though – I already have several, but all taken after it entered preservation. Anybody else got any photographs of Hollinshead’s half-cab Fodens or Bedford OWB bus?

Neville Mercer

24/01/13 – 12:20

Mind you, GTU 119G is either a mistake or a re-registration as the Dominant was introduced for the 1973 (L suffix) registration year. [Duple quality (almost) at its worst – how were the mighty fallen.]

David Oldfield

Vehicle reminder shot for this posting

13/03/14 – 16:51

The Hollinshead Leopard referred to was actually a Duple Commander. It was reputedly bought outright off the Duple stand by family members visiting the 1968 Commercial Motor Show and was in effect a ‘new generation’ vehicle. Previous purchases for over 10 years had been Bedford SB (petrol and diesel)and latterly all second hand. The off white/tangerine band livery on GTU became the fleet standard. Although unconfirmed, at the time of its arrival some 18 months later usually reliable sources stated that second hand (and similarly liveried)OOP 173G had been the Bedford/Viceroy counterpart of GTU 119G at he 1968 show.

Keith Wood

Copyright Ian Wild.

East Yorkshire Motor Services
1961
AEC Bridgemaster B3RA 
Park Royal H45/28RD

One of East Yorkshire’s rear entrance AEC Bridgemasters. Just shows the Bridgemaster could look good given the right sort of livery, the Beverley Bar inward profile of the upper deck also helps. Photograph taken at Goole on 22nd February 1968.

Photograph and Copy contributed by Ian Wild

You are quite right. Why didn’t Park Royal think of it? The Beverley profile would have improved many of their 1960s offerings – not just the Bridgemaster.
But where are the number blinds? A strange omission for a normally very fastidious operator.

David Oldfield

I believe that East Yorkshire buses did not start showing route numbers until around 1963, although they were used internally and in the timetables. This was the reason that Hull Corporation had to renumber some of it’s routes in the 1 to 12 series in September, 1963.

Keith Easton

Yet another most nostalgic picture for me, as a lifelong admirer of EYMS, but from a different angle. Right up to my retirement in May 2001 I often worked this route from Arriva’s Selby Depot, and also from Pontefract. Despite quite an infrequent train service the confounded level crossing gates at Goole always seemed to be closed for an age, just so that the trains could enter and leave the adjacent station at walking pace !!

Chris Youhill

So was this a joint service between Arriva (presumably, formerly West Riding) and EYMS, or was it taken over from EYMS later? I don’t think EYMS operate to Selby today, do they?

Chris Barker

To be honest Chris B I’m not too sure about that as I only worked for Pontefract SYRT and the West Riding Depots from November 1987. Certainly though there was no sign of EYMS in Selby or Goole by then so presumably the 1986 De-regulation had caused that change. The intermediate destination blind on the Bridgemaster shows "Hemingbrough/Osgodby" and there was no EYMS presence on that road in my time, so this is an interesting query isn’t it ?

Chris Youhill

It was originally an EYMS service, but passed to West Riding, I believe in NBC rationalisation

Keith Easton

Thank you most sincerely for that explanation Keith – I’m somewhat embarrassed at not thinking of it as the NBC rationalisation scheme had some quite interesting effects here in West Yorkshire and nationally too. Its just another indication of how easily such dramatic changes can fade from the memory in the vast range of topics that are covered by we serious enthusiasts.

Chris Youhill

Yes, thanks for that. I’ve long thought that EYMS oozes interest, not only for its fleet but its history, operations, area of operation and not least the fact that it is still very much in business (independent business!) Long may it continue!

Chris Barker

The Hull to Selby route was numbered 4 by EYMS and was on licence BE3/15, so it must have been in operation prior to the 1930 Road Traffic Act, as it is in the original batch of licences granted to the company.

Keith Easton

28/06/11 – 06:29

Interesting comment on EYMS buses. I have just bought an EYMS bus a Yellow Peril MKH 84 for preservation need some work but will be worth it in the end.

Martin Chaplin

28/06/11 – 09:12

What a very enviable purchase Martin, and all the very best to you in your preservation work. My main memories of these magnificent vehicles is of travelling from Leeds to Bridlington in them when they were new and could be found on that route – with their fifty seats and enormous accommodation for holiday luggage. Later, when I was in the RAF at Patrington (Spurn Point) and occasionally "detached" to Bempton, one of these fine vehicles would appear on the last short journey from Bridlington to Bempton and, if memory serves, this journey operated at a different time almost every night of the week. What glorious days these were !!

Chris Youhill

29/06/11 – 07:00

Hi Martin, it will be great to see a "yellow peril" on the road again, the last time I saw one was in the late ‘seventies. I think that photos of the progress in the preservation would be most interesting and informative.

Keith Easton

13/02/12 – 07:29

I am also looking forward to seeing one of East Yorkshires most iconic vehicles in the shape of a "Yellow Peril " back on the road. Hull born in 1952, I had the pleasure of growing up with the Titans, Regents, Bridgemasters and Renowns – travelled many times on the Yellow Perils particularly when they were used as our school buses from Hessle to Beverley Grammar School in the early 60’s. A pictorial diary of the restoration progress would be excellent. I wish Martin good luck with his project, and hope to see MKH 84 in all its glory in the near future, maybe then we can persuade OOC or EFE to produce its first Beverley Bar model.

John Eggleton

02/05/16 – 14:00

EYMS do currently run Goole to Selby on a Sunday, having won the contract from the council about 18 months ago.

Sam Eyers

23/05/16 – 07:38

I thought I would send these along to add to the EYMS archive. One sunny Saturday in September 1961, when I was 14, we had a family day out (West Yorkshire excursion) to Bridlington and I’d been lucky enough to borrow my older brother’s Zeiss camera, with which I snapped these. It seems odd that I only took two pictures, but there were only 12 shots on a film and the processing cost me four weeks’ pocket money. How different it is now with digital. The single decker was buzzing backwards and forwards all the time I was there, and what a handsome vehicle it was!

David Rhodes

29/05/16 – 05:44

Ian Wild’s excellent print of Bridgemaster 4700 AT was, of course, taken in Selby Market Place not Goole.

David A

29/05/16 – 15:52

Two lovely pictures David R and Bridlington bus station was a real gem in those days. The double decker is, of course, on the famous number 12 route from Hull via Driffield, Bridlington, Butlin’s Filey and Cayton Bay. The route survives to this day. The very celebrated single decker is one of the AEC Regals taken over with the business of Everingham Brothers of Pocklington, hence the East Riding registration as oppose to Hull, the norm for EYMS

Chris Youhill