North West Gallery

North West Gallery

Here is the penultimate gallery of shots from the album purchased from a market stall. This time they are all vehicles from the North West area of England, they are mainly from municipal fleets

Roy Dodsworth
02/2016

 

 

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19/02/16 - 13:55

Wonderful selection, Roy! I can't place all of them, but here are further details on some.
Accrington's unusual blue and red livery (kept by Hyndburn after 1974) was a tribute to the local Regiment.
Bolton PBN 655 is at Moor Lane Bus Station. There's a Ribble Royal Tiger in view.
Isle of Man TMN 335 is on the seafront at Douglas, heading out of town. One of the Corporation's horse trams is heading for Victoria Pier (the ferry terminal).
Morecambe & Heysham KTF 590 is on the seafront, near West End Pier. The destination shown causes some merriment to visitors, especially in respect of the Bare Tennis club and the Bare Women's Institute!
Morecambe & Heysham 35 MTD is in Euston Road, opposite Euston Road School and passing the Bus Station.
Ribble ARN 814C and ECK 900E are at Coliseum Coach Station in Blackpool. Part of the tram depot is behind them.

Pete Davies

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20/02/16 - 05:12

A fine selection I didn't realise that Weymann built its flared body as late as 1953. It would have looked somewhat dated by then.
I'm intrigued with Preston Corporation's No. 1, the 1934 Leyland Titan TD3c with a 'utility' English Electric body. I wasn't aware that EE built any such bodies.

Chris Hebbron

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21/02/16 - 15:52

What a wonderful selection! I particularly like the Accrington TD5. Their livery at that time included black window surrounds. a practice which continued until the 1960s although strangely ignored by Corgi when they produced their 1/50 scale utility Arab in Accrington livery. Perhaps they used a black and white original, where the black might be indistinguishable from the dark blue, and then colour-matched from a more recent vehicle without the black trim.
One slight nit-pick over the caption for JRN 37 - this is a Seagull Mk IV, the distinguishing features being the one-piece front windscreen panes, the front entrance (first available on the Mk IV) and the older style of rear-end treatment (kept on the Mk III and Mk IV but abandoned for the curved corner on the Mk V).

Neville Mercer

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21/02/16 - 16:27

Neville, thanks for that I will edit the caption. I acquired the info for the caption from 'Ian Allan British Bus Fleets No16 Ribble'.
The more I do this site the nearer I come to the conclusion that the Ian Allan BBF books are not all that reliable, information wise.

Peter

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22/02/16 - 06:22

Sadly, Peter, it's not just the BBF booklets that contain mistakes. Errors abound in print and on the Internet. Of course we all make mistakes sometimes, but OBP, with its following of informed contributors, is exceptionally well placed to sort out misconceptions.

Roger Cox

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22/02/16 - 09:04

What would the rest of the Accrington livery have been at that time, Neville?

Chris Hebbron

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22/02/16 - 11:52

Chris, the bulk of the livery was blue and red. I attach a photo of the EFE Accrington PD2 for reference.

Pete Davies

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22/02/16 - 16:12

Yet another very fine selection of pictures Roy - your visit to that market stall certainly turned up some real gems. It just makes you wonder how many more rare views of many operators, views which would now be historically priceless, are lying around here and there.

Chris Youhill

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23/02/16 - 05:35

Thx, Pete. It's certainly an unusual livery and I notice that this model has the black window surrounds, too.

Chris Hebbron

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23/02/16 - 11:09

The Blackburn PS1 is after withdrawal by Blackburn. It is noted as going to a Liverpool school and there is a Westvale Primary School in Kirkby, but this may be a case of 2 + 2 = 5!
The Preston TD3 didn't look like that when new - see http://davidbeilby.zenfolio.com/ At the moment I'm unable to ascertain whether it was a rebuild or a new utility body, but if the latter it was very unusual in being six-bay.

David Beilby

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23/02/16 - 13:13

The EFE Accrington PD2 (both issues are identical except for the tampo printed areas) is not quite right in that the red is too "orangey" The actual colour was more akin to Manchester red (which EFE also made a little too bright in their early renderings while making the cream too pale). More recent EFE Manchester offerings (the two Atlanteans) have over-compensated by using a darker red almost indistinguishable from Plymouth's old shade. One would almost suspect that EFE's Plymouth Atlantean model didn't sell very well and found itself genetically modified into a more Northern breed. Sorry, severely off-topic!

Neville Mercer

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24/02/16 - 05:41

The Douglas Vulcan is a shock. Notably Lincolnshire also converted their examples to Bedford petrol engines but did not convert them to forward control or to saloons, one survived as late as the early 1970s with a preservation group in Notts IIRC. As for the English Electric Titan AFAIR they did not build utility bodies so I'm inclined to think it's a wartime PCT rebuild of the original body, after all the Preston Coachbuilders were to demonstrate they were capable of a lot more than a new front end and dome.

Stephen Allcroft

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06/01/19 - 08:15

I know it's a dormant thread but to clear up the body issue on the Preston Leyland Titan TD3c this is covered in Mike Rhodes' book (1995) "Preston's Trams and Buses". Three of the EE bodied vehicles were re-bodied by Croft in 1945 and the caption to a picture of No.1 reveals that the vehicle was retired from service in 1957, a chassis life of 23 years.

Brian Bullock

 

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