I first experienced the fascinating fleet of Gosport and Fareham, otherwise known as “Provincial”, when I moved from rural Kent to the Gosport area as an eight year old in the summer of 1949. Some of the Provincial AEC Regents and Regals seemed to me to be a bit elderly – I did not then appreciate their redoubtable qualities - and I greatly preferred the smart, and, at that time, very new Guy Arab III double deckers with handsome Guy built, Park Royal designed bodywork, which worked the Haslar (HMS Dolphin) route 11 on which I lived. Previously, my only experience of Guys had been occasional trips on the Maidstone and District utility Arabs, and I can still recall the curious whistle that those buses would emit in the course of gear changes. The G&F Guys were altogether more stylish, and the PRV/Guy bodied Arab III is still my favourite double decker of all time, though, sadly, I have never driven one. For years, the Gosport – Fareham peninsula resounded to the ringing tones of AEC Regents and Regals, and to the stutter of Gardner 5LW powered Arabs. How I wish now that I had had a camera in those far off days.
Provincial Tramways was founded on 10th July 1872, with its Head Office at 224-228 Moorgate Station Chambers, London. It originally owned considerable tramway and other transport enterprises, and sometimes the electricity supply system also, in Gosport and Fareham, Portsmouth, Portsmouth and Horndean, Plymouth, Grimsby and Cardiff. The history of each of these systems is rather complicated, but, in the course of time, these operations were taken over, usually under the relevant Tramways Acts, by the local authorities, with Grimsby being handed over in 1936. This left only Gosport and Fareham in the Provincial fold, and the name of the parent company was then changed to the Provincial Traction Company. The individuality of the Gosport and Fareham fleet is inextricably bound up with the name of the manager and engineer, Mr. H. Orme White, who took over the day to day running of the Provincial business from his father, H. L. White, in 1936. In that year orders were placed with AEC for the supply of four new 7.7 litre Regents with teak framed Park Royal H30/26R bodies, which complemented the eight Regal 4s with 6.6 litre four cylinder engines and Harrington B32R bodies that had arrived two years earlier in 1934. In the years immediately following WW2, the Regals were re-engined with standard 7.7 litre engines consistent with the power units in the Regents The AECs proved to be sound, reliable purchases, many of which went on to have very long lives, albeit, in some cases, in rebuilt form. In 1940, six secondhand Regents were obtained from City of Oxford. New Regents continued to be supplied until 1947, and further secondhand examples were bought up to 1957, in part to replace buses lost in the disastrous fire at Hoeford depot on the 18th June 1957. This fire led to the complete loss of four Regents, one Regal, and the company's Dennis EV preserved vehicle. Two Regals had their bodies destroyed, but the chassis were reconditioned and rebodied by Reading. In 1942, the first Guy Arab I was received, and this had Weymann H30/26R utility bodywork. It was followed by a further ten Arab IIs with Park Royal bodies, the last of which was delivered in 1945. The Arab/Gardner 5LW combination clearly impressed Mr. Orme White, because, from 1948 to 1953, ten Arab IIIs were delivered, in part to enable the tramway system to be abandoned. The first two had Reading H30/26R bodies, but then came eight with the classic H30/26R Park Royal designed bodies, the first seven being built by Guy themselves, and the last one by PRV. In 1958 two Arab IV 5LW with Reading FH30/26R bodies were purchased, and these became the last new buses bought by Gosport and Fareham under the management of Mr. Orme White. From 1962 Southampton began withdrawing its Park Royal bodied Arab IIIs, and eleven of these buses, very similar to G&F's existing fleet of eight Arab IIIs apart from the 6LW engine, were snapped up by Provincial. Six more Arabs all with lowbridge L27/28R bodywork, were obtained from Red and White in 1966/67, and three Bristol LS6G C39F coaches came from the same source in 1969. Twelve other secondhand Arabs were bought from various sources, and these were ultimately (and rather famously) extensively rebuilt with Deutz air cooled engines. Rather surprisingly, one of these received a somewhat odd single deck body and a new registration number, HOR 676E. Another air cooled engine experiment involved the installation of a Ruston and Hornsby unit in a reconditioned AEC Regent chassis re-registered as 270 MHO. This engine proved to be unreliable and was replaced after five years with an AEC 7.7 unit. In 1967 Mr. Orme White retired at the age of 81, and his replacement, Mr. Woolford, embarked upon a complete change of vehicle policy. In 1968 came nine Seddon Pennine IV/Strachans B40D with provision for 15 standees; a further batch of six with Seddon's own Pennine bodywork followed in 1969. In March 1969 Provincial was taken over by the Swain Group, which was soon renamed the Wiles Group, but on 1st January 1970 the entire business was sold to The National Bus Company. Thereafter came the merger with Hants and Dorset, though the name “New Provincial” was applied to the buses, then deregulation and privatisation as “Peoples Provincial” and ultimately the sale to First Group in the 1990s. Today the gruesome purple, pink and pap of First now assaults the eye in the streets of the Gosport peninsula one graced by the emerald green of Provincial.Roger Cox
08/2012
This link to the 'Provincial Enthusiasts' website gives comprehensive information about Gosport and Fareham (Provincial). Just click on the rotating arrow.
Yet more information may be found at this link to the Provincial page on the 'Countrybus' website.
19/08/12 - 08:30
Thank you Roger for posting your very interesting text and excellent photos of the Provincial fleet. I have visited Gosport regularly since first moving down to Hampshire in 1970, and I visit Fareham occasionally, too. I note there are references to HMS DOLPHIN which, as some readers will know already, was the Royal Navy's submarine training base. I once worked with a retired submariner, and we were somewhat amused one day when he recited the text of a newspaper article about a charitable donation from "The Officers and Men, HMS DOLPHIN, Gosport." Some days later, an acknowledgement letter had arrived, addressed to HMS Dolphin, Esq" and the letter started "Dear Mr Dolphin". Ah, well!
Pete Davies
19/08/12 - 12:18
What a superb set of pictures illustrating the "atmosphere and appeal" of a most fascinating and enterprising operator. I've admired Gosport and Fareham in print from afar for as long as I can remember, but never thought I'd ever drive one of their vehicles - well, in a remote kind of way!!
While working for South Yorkshire Road Transport of Pontefract, our little Firm experienced so many changes of ownership that we scarcely knew which uniform to wear from one week to the next so to speak.
In early 2000 I had an operation which meant being off work for over eight weeks - quite reasonably Arriva insisted that any such employee had to go for re-assessment in the Driver Training School before resuming.
So it was that one Monday morning I found myself at 0800 hours at Belle Isle Depot at the wheel of one of the learner buses - emblazoned with "L" plates and "Driver under instruction" etc etc, but even worse with an audience of "civilians" on their first day as recruits watching my every move - it was rather like an audition for a West End show with impresarios on the front row. So, off into the Wakefield Monday morning rush hour and the instructor took me up every awkward back alley in the City - many were not bus routes - and out into the suburbs - and after half an hour said "OK Go back to Pontefract - you'll do !!." After four decades of bus and coach driving of every kind I was very relieved to find that "I'll do."
Sorry, I've wandered a long way from the Solent here. The superb bus was a withdrawn second hand (or "previously owned" as slick car salesmen say these days) Leyland National which was in really fine order bodily and mechanically and behaved like a dream. It was C104 UHO originally with "Provincial."
Chris Youhill
20/08/12 - 08:12
Thx Roger, for your fascinating gallery, with some superb photos of old favourites from my days living in Pompey. Both Portsmouth Corporation and Provincial had interesting fleets, whose managers got good value out of their charges. Both used Reading & Co bodied vehicles and both used Pennine-bodied vehicles, but Provincial went in for eccentricity, too, and we British love eccentrics! I have one query - why is 33 painted with a white roof, the only such example I've ever seen?
Chris Hebbron
20/08/12 - 12:17
Chris, the revised livery with the increased white area seems to have come in with the appointment of Mr Woolford as Manager. Certainly, no buses were so painted whilst Mr Orme White was in charge, but the Seddons were delivered in the revised livery, and some other buses in the fleet were repainted in the new style. Personally, I prefer the original. From 1970, the somewhat haphazard numbering sequence of the fleet was reorganised, though most of the recipients of the new numbers did not survive long under NBC.
Roger Cox
21/08/12 - 07:45
In his very interesting galley, Roger Cox makes mention of the Swain Group and the Wiles Group. Although these companies have had a brief mention in various articles over the years there never seems to have been much hard detail about them.
However a search around the internet has revealed that in 1965 control of the Wiles Group was gained by one Mr. (later Lord) Hanson whose family owned a significant bus operation in Huddersfield. In 1969 the Wiles Group acquired the Provincial Traction Group aka the Swain Group who were mainly car dealers. Hanson then renamed the Wiles Group to Hanson Trust and sold most of the parts of the Swain Group off including G & F to NBC.
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